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tv   Don Lemon Tonight  CNN  April 28, 2022 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT

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this is don lemon tonight, message from russia, nobody's safe. ukraine saying russian missiles landed in kyiv just after president zelenskyy's meeting with the u.n. secretary-general who was still in the city. also ahead, let's chat. the january 6th committee wants to speak to more members of congress including the house gop leader kevin mccarthy but will they cooperate? and wells fargo bank accused of discriminating against black mortgage customer. >> i was completely blown away to have a process server come to our house last month and again the next morning to serve us with notice that wells fargo intended to foreclose on our home. >> straight ahead, looking at the complaints black customers
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have against wells fargo. straight to isa suarez in ukraine tonight, what are you learning about these missile strikes in kyiv? >> reporter: a very good morning to you, don, we know from our teams on the ground in the capitol, kyiv, they heard two large explosions last night. now according to ukraine's foreign minister, they were from russian cruise missiles, now russia doesn't have troops in the area, mostly focused on that offensive in the donbas, but like we saw in the beginning of the war, those kind of missiles can be launched from a distance, sometimes from just across the border in belarus, and you are looking there at the impact that missile has had. it hit an apartment building in kyiv, and it caused extensive damage, you can see there, started a fire. you saw there, there was smoke billowing from the windows and you can see from that video you're looking at that one side of the building has been completely ripped off, just imagine the sheer terror for
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those inside. now ukrainian officials are telling us, don, that at least 10 people were injured in that strike. and this happened, i think context is really important here, this happened as the u.n. secretary-general was visiting kyiv and after he visited putin, and for these humanitarian corridors for civilians, really important this happening of course on the same day of that visit and a clear sign that really, no one is safe yet, don. >> and the ukrainian president volodomyr zelenskyy saying tonight, ukraine has identified suspects in the war crimes, in bucha. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right, president zelenskyy says they have identified 10 russian servicemen who they say are suspect in the gruesome crimes committed in bucha and i must warn our viewers, what you're about to see is graphic and for
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context again here, if you remember in early april and, to be honest, how can anyone forget, we saw these images and horrific accounts emerging from bucha outside of kyiv emerging on the streets as russian soldiers of course retreated from the area. now, according to president zelenskyy, an investigation is underway and the first 10 russian servicemen have been identified. and he added, they know -- have a listen. >> we know all the details about them and their actions and we will find everyone. just as we will find all the other russian thugs who killed and tortured ukrainians, who tormented our people, who destroyed houses and civilian infrastructure in ukraine. >> reporter: and the prosecutor general provided more details here, telling cnn these suspected soldiers were of various ranks, don.
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we know over four privates, four corporals and two sergeants from the same brigade. very brigade, by the way, awarded an honorary title by russian president vladimir putin and praised for their heroism and courage, don. >> ukraine saying russian forces are exerting intense fire across the eastern regions. cnn's nick payton walsh has our report on how quickly the battle is shifting between ukrainian resistance and russian control. >> reporter: if moscow had any surprises left in this war, it is along here. the other side of the river has been russia's for weeks, but here, the western side is caught in the fast-changing landscape of this week's push. that's the prize there, the dnipro river up past which on the left side bank here the russians are trying to push, wanting control of both sides of
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that vital part of ukraine. here, we are told there are a handful of russian tanks just over a kilometer away on its outskirts, pushing, probing, but ultimately kept at bay by ukrainian forces that still hold the town. resilience here, embodied, under the threat of rocket fire, planting onions. i'm here until victory, she said. children have gone, just her and her mother. 80-year-old mother and her are staying here. her mother says she's not going anywhere and she's not going to leave her alone. all her windows are blown out, she says. ukrainian forces who don't want their positions filmed are dotted around the town. too, signs of civilian lives
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lost here. r rockets peaking out from under the water and this boat in which 14 civilians tried to flee russian occupation on april the 7th, four of them died when moscow's troops opened fire when it was 70 meters out. yet still, the desperate keep fleeing. this morning, these women left behind their men to defend their homes near novoronskova, we ran, early in the morning, said luda. they didn't let us out, we're shields for them, they didn't let us out and by shields, by bicycle we go, in the fields, we ran. our soldiers were two kilometers away, nadesja adds, and ran to them. they need the russians tanks, tank cars, they draw zed on everything. as the new unwanted guests
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demanded milk and food at gunpoint, they had a glimpse of their warped mindset. they say they've come to liberate us, luda said, these aggressors, that's what they told us. they say america is fighting here but using the hands of ukrainians to do it. that's what they say. another claimed to be fueled by the violence of a long war, with separatists in the east. in general, the donetsk militants say you have been bombing us for eight years. now we bomb you. across the fields, loading and artillery swallow whole once-happy worlds. now, down to the south of where i'm standing, installed officials there put in by the russian military occupation have said that's how we'll be using the ruble, the russian currency in a matter of days, phasing out the ukrainian currency over the coming months. also said how now that town
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cannot, quote, go back to its nazi past, a reference to the ludicrous suggestion by russia that this operation was designed to de-nazify the country and also clarified there won't be a referendum indeed in kherson, one planned for yesterday but that doesn't appear to be the case, instead focus on economic development, a bizarre statement given the economic damage they've done by invading the town itself, don. >> nick payton walsh, thank you for that, bring you now cnn military analyst, colonel cedric leighton, thank you for joining us, ukrainians saying their towns are bombarded across the east and south and president zelenskyy says five missiles hits kyiv during the u.n. secretary-general's visit, what is the mission now for each side in this fight. >> don, that's an excellent question because what you're seeing here is the movements this way by the russians, this way from the east, and also up to the north as much as they
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can. this is the area that nick payton walsh was in. of course, in kyiv, we have those missile strikes you m mentioned so what everybody is doing here is trying to grab as much territory as they possibly can so let's focus a little bit on the south right here. this area is critically important, of course we have mariupol where we have that massive siege of the asovstal steel works, that is tieing up a lot of russian troops here but when they have this territory, they will then have this land bridge that they are talking about so it's a matter of getting this and it's not just the volume of territory, but it's the type of territory, so if it connects one side to the other, that's a plus for the russians. if the ukrainians can do things like this where they're gaining territory at the expense of the russians even if it's a little bit like right here, that's still is a plus for them so the big effort is to gain as much territory as quickly as possible just in case, at some point, there is some kind of a negotiation that takes place and
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there's a stopping point for the fighting. >> let's talk about what u.s. officials are saying about russia making improvements in both coordinating air and ground operations and resupplying forces. how can ukraine gain the upper hand if that is indeed happening. >> so if the russians are making improvements, let's take a look at the donbas area, for example. so what the russians are doing is they're moving slowly into certain areas right here like around slovayansk, heading from slovayansk to kramatorsk. these areas are perfect for the russians to move forward in and as the russians do this, they're very deliberate about this. they have learned a little bit about their supply chain shortfalls, their ability to move fuel forward has improved. their ability to keep their troops in line has improved somewhat, by that i mean they're moving forward, not necessarily what they're doing once they capture territory, that's a
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different issue. but what the russians are trying to do is gain as much territory as possible right in here, and as they do this, they will appear to be a bit more efficient than what they were before, but that is how they're doing it. the ukrainians still, though, have an edge in terms of morale and their ability to take care of the territories that they control and, frankly, also have the upper hand in terms of morale. >> all right, thank you very much colonel, we appreciate that. next, what lessons did vladimir putin learn in syria and what does that tell us about what he will do next in ukraine? >> this war started with a decision by president putin. this war will end with a decision by president putin. this is a war of choice by one man, by one government. this is iowa. we just haveven't been properly introduced. say hello to the place where rolling hills memeets low bill. where our fields, inside and out, are always growing.
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russia, lashing out, consequences for the invasion of ukraine, but how long will the u.s. and allies be able to keep up the flow of aid sanctions for ukraine, frankly, and what can the past of putin tell us what's coming in the weeks of this invasion. joining us now, senior fellow and director of the countering terrorism and extremism program at the middle east institute, author of a piece in politico this week, titled "what's putin's next move? look to syria," thanks for joining us, good evening to you. in your article, you start by saying this, that the war is far from over and that russia has learned how to adapt in the past. what did vladimir putin learn from the war in syria that he is putting in practice now? >> well first off, thanks for
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having me on the show, and from the outset, let's recognize there are different lens to view this current war in ukraine from. from our perspective, this is a new war. the invasion was two months ago, from russia's perspective, the latest chapter in a war that began in at least 2008 when they invaded crimea so we view this in a different lens than the russia's lens and that's how we should be assessing what putin's next calculations will be, this is a long war for him, long struggle and this is just the latest chapter. now from syria, when the russians first intervened into syria in 2015, they faced a lot of difficulties, massive air campaign, sought to provide the capabilities to the syrian regime on the ground to take advantage and frankly failed in almost every single respect and at the time, the obama administration immediately said this would be a russian quagmire, we kind of eased up a bit in times of the concerns of
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significance of what russia was doing but ultimately russia adapted. they're a dictatorship, don't have to worry about elections, can sustain a costly war but adapted in ways we didn't expect, formed a partnership with hezbalah, terrorist organization, extremely potent partnership that remained quiet but brought them the results on the ground and of course, did what we're seeing in ukraine, they resorted to brutal, mostly medieval style siege tactics, with less cost to russian troops and that's what we're seeing already in ukraine two months in. >> military in ukraine is now headed by a general who became known as the butcher of syria, right, more than the brutal tactics against civilians, what does he bring to this conflict, what does he add? >> so yeah, general alexander
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vornikov is well known in syria, he's a member of the old guard of the russian mill faitary so comes at military operations in a much more regimented fashion than i think we saw in the initial phases of this invasion so i think what to expect is what we've started to see now which is the centralization of the invasion to a much more concentrated area of geography and much more concentrated use of bombardment in that specific area. that is exactly what we started to see in syria, when it became clear the russians couldn't conduct a nation-wide offensive all across syria, they centralized their resources into specific areas they saw as being most important. the consequence of that was towns and cities became completely surrounded, besieged, people were eating kbras for one, two years amidst these sieges whilst the russians and syrians shelled them to rubble.
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in that sense, took two or three years for that to play out in full in syria, i got to emphasize here, we're only two months into this war. the russians have taken enormous losses, way more losses than they ever expected to, but they can sustain this for some period of time. as much as this government, for obvious reasons doesn't want to be talking about this, the ukrainians have taken very heavy losses too, if we're asking a question about sustainability, need to be equally talking about sustainability of our ally, partner, ukraine, as much as russia and frankly speaking, if russia is orienting itself toward this kind of siege warfare strategy, that is something they can sustain much longer term than something the ukrainians can sustain and that's -- that ought to be a very big concern on our mind. >> okay, well that said, biden is asking for billions more dollars, allies still committed to putting more sanctions on putin's allies but your second main point is that russia has learned that the west can lose
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focus over months and years and russia is banking on that happening, again, so what do you think about that, i mean we're saying, meaning the west, going to give you billions more dollars, billions more dollars, but still, maybe people will lose interest? >> right, so, again, first off we ought too say what we have done collectly with nato in response so far has been extraordinary and clearly had an effect on the battle field so that should be praised, coming several months after the afghanistan debacle the response to the invasion of ukraine has been immense, really impressive. but the question is sustainability from a logistical perspective, you know, you look at singer, shoulder-launched antiaircraft missiles, already decompleted 35% of our entire nation stock giving them for free to ukraine, rightfully, to effect, but that has a domestic consequence, the javelin antitank missile lost nearly
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third of our entire stock and the manufacturers of those weapon systems said they're not even going to be able to start manufacturing replacement systems for that until late 2023 or early 2024. now, in an era of great power competition, that puts the united states in a very tricky situation in which other adversaries can easily take advantage, china and taiwan or anywhere else. so from a logistical perspective it's problematic, but a political one, yeah, it's just a simple statement of fact. united states and europe, we have many things going on, we have democracies, we are answerable to our electorate, so domestically, we cannot sustain a concentrated band width on a war on the other side of the world forever and we won't, and that is when russia will seek to pounce and adapt and be much more flexible than we are and take advantage of our relative lack of bandwidth. >> charles lester, thank you so much, for joining us. >> thanks for joining me.
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here, we've been waiting for word of the public hearings now we finally got t committee will announce who will testify but who do you think they'll call as witnesses? >> such an important question for the committee, i'd look at two things in identifying witnesses, first you want people with access, who were inside the room, the white house or somewhere closely to the action but also people who don't have the blind loyalty to donald trump who are willing to tell the truth so i see a few categories of people who could emerge here, people, mike pence's aides, showing they're willing to come to the share the truth, also people inside doj, jeffrey rosen, inside doj and then third you have people who were staffers in the trump house who were not trump loyalists, for example, the cassidy hutchinson recently who testified to the community about
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the potential for violence, those are the kinds of people i think we should be looking for testimony. >> there is a long history of trump people denying requests, even denying subpoenas, what happens if they say no? which is probably likely. is. >> yeah it's a tricky situation for the committee, really, all the committee can do is hold them in contempt and send them over to the justice department for potential prosecution but that takes a while, probably will take beyond june, so it's really more of a punishment than a way to force them to testify. also, we don't know what the justice department is going to do, doj has elected to prosecute steve bannon but they're still sitting on the mark meadows decision four and a half months later so it's a highly imperfect remedy but really all the committee has. >> but there's been so much damning evidence that's come out over the last few weeks, texts between mark allies, mark meadows, and mccarthy asking trump to resign, how hard will it be for the committee to convince the public that laws
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were broken in the events surrounding january 6th. >> let's be clear, don, big picture committee has done an excellent job, they can use witness testimony but those documents, those texts really, to me, tell the tale better than any eye witness could. you can't change a text. a text is what it ise. so it will be tough, not easy, and ultimately i think the committee will be speaking to all of us but also in part at least up to the street of the justice department making the case todoj you need to take a lk at this for criminality. >> so far, doj only gone after rioters who participated in the insurrection, do you think the consequences for trump's inner circle who motivated the attack, hinge on these public hearings? >> well that's the million dollar question, don. so far, d.o.j. has done a very good job of charging the people who physically stormed the capitol, over 700 prosecutions
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but really not risen much above that in the power hierarchy and i think one of the goals of these hearings is going to be to light a fire under the justice department to make the case so clearly in such a compelling way it really sort of forces doj's hand but also gives doj the evidence. it may well be the committee is uncovering evidence doj has and doj will be fully able to use any evidence that comes out in these hearings. >> all right, elie stick ahead, i want to ask you more after the break. lawsuit alleges wells fargo bank discriminates against black mortgage customers, we'll hear his report and then discuss whatat's next. ♪
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wells fargo, the subject of a class action lawsuit which alleges the bank discriminates against black customers in mortgage and lending policies, the bank vehemently denies accusations but has a history involving allegations of racism including past lawsuits, more tonight from cnn's jason carroll. >> reporter: i can tell you really love the neighborhood. simmons cherishes these blocks more now than ever. >> we maintain here because this is our forever home.
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>> reporter: she lived in this house in a cozy street in midway florida, suburb ofmore than a decade where she and her husband raised their six children. very soon, it could be just memories of the home the family is left with. >> i was completely blown away to have a process server come to our house last month and again the next morning to serve us with notice that wells fargo intended to close on our homes. >> reporter: simmons says she believes wells fargo treated her unfairly because she is black, a charge the bank denies. simmons says the bank began fore closure proceedings after claiming she defaulted on her mortarage but that was news to simmons who said she received a 12 month deferment under the federal cares a kt during the pandemic. her husband, head coach of a & m's football team.
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>> when i took income loss and my husband did as well during the pandemic, all while financing our son's law school education, it was that or reduce our retirement or other things so we thought it was in our best interest to do that. >> reporter: once the 12 month did he deferment concluded, wells fargo sent a later, stating in part, if you don't contact us for more help, your loan will turn to servicing, wells fargo then said she didn't make arrangements to repay the payments deferred during the pandemic, therefore the loan was in default, soon after the bank told simmons she had a choice, renegotiate at a higher rate or proceed with foreclosure. >> i think that's more than just a mistake. >> reporter: the bank said what happened had nothing to do with race. we called ms. simmons more than 100 times and sent numerous written communications over the past year to put in place a plan
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to address the missed payments, we have been and remain willing at any time to meet with her. >> reporter: why do you feel this is racially motivated, not some clerical error or mistake in paper work. >> i don't believe pacbased on calls i've gotten and the attorneys, that this is not -- i'm not saying it's not happening to every american, what i'm saying is it's happening to black americans more. >> reporter: simmons part of a class action lawsuit claiming wells fargos practices dispro disproportionately discriminate against black customers. christopher williams joined the class action suit led by benjamin krump after he alleged in 2017 wells fargo tried to
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charge him a higher interest rate on what they call a unique scoring model. >> my credit score was just under 800 when i applied, when they told me my credit score when i applied told me it was 100 points less. they're discriminating against black people and it's systematic. >> reporter: a wells fargo spokesperson responded saying we are deeply disturbed by the accusations of discrimination, our practices are consistently applied regardless of a customer's race or ethnicity. wells fargo has a history with allegations of racism. in 2013, the bank paid $175 million to settle a federal lawsuit alleging it charcoged higher rate and see fees on mo mortgages to african american and latino borrowers. wells fargo defends its track
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record saying in 2020 it was the largest bank lender of purchases and refinances to black families and this is consistent with our performance over the last decade. >> you want a drink? >> reporter: back in midway florida, wells fargo says it had a always had solutions to help simmons keep her home, saying we simply need her to contact us so we can finish the process, but the fight is now a legal one. ultimately, simmons just wants to hold on to the american dream. the dream of owning a home. >> i won't lose faith in the american dream. i just hope that the american dream is as attainable for every american, despite their skin tone, despite their color, despite their culture, and despite the bank that they choose to entrust their money to. >> reporter: jason carroll, cnn, midway florida. >> all right, thanks to jason carroll. back now with us, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig so
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jason just laid it out the plaintiffs allege one thing, the bank something else. what does it come down to? >> well, don, the data really tells the story here. if you look at the publicly reported data, shows wells fargo approved loans to white borr borrowers about 22% disparity, almost double the disparity amongst other banks across the country, according to the publicly reported data so is wells fargo going to be able to explain that in some race-neutral way? also, what both parties are going to need to do is find comparables, find families similarly situated financially, one black, one white and see how they were treated, treated similarly or differently and that will ultimately tell the tale in court. >> now york city mayor adams says his city will not open new accounts with wells fargo due to alleged discriminatory practices, sounds like there's
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going to be big ramifications no matter how the lawsuit plays out. >> absolutely could be ramifications in the private sector, interesting what the mayor has done, saying we the city, meaning new york city himself not doing business with wells fargo, can't eject them from the city with private business, but the city can, his purview and i think there will be consequence to see this regardless what happens in the courtroom. >> elie honig, thank you very much, appreciate that. we'll be right back . sensodyne sensnsitivity & gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. by brushing with sensodyne sensitivity & gum at home, it's giving you the relief that you need and the control that you need to take care of your oral health. and it creates a healthier environment. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.
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carlton mccoy a classically trained chef and expert traveller found himself everywhere at home from his grandmother's kitchen to the copy restaurants in the world and everywhere in between, now in the cnn original series, "nomad" with carlton mccoy takes us on a travel with culture, food and the visits of it all, here he is and then her father is french french. but that makes for -- >> french, french. that's an interesting thing, huh? >> yeah. and right now, w b that whole dialogue is getting very complicated because there are certain conservatives that want
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people of color to say they're french. >> everybody i i know from germany is italian american. >> the thing about france is since the revolution when we said all men are created equal, they said -- they took it verbatim, up to a point. but at least on paper. >> yeah. >> that meant it was illegal to discriminate. it was like, you know, rules against taking census on account of race. >> well, guess who's here? the host of nomad, carlton mccoy. how are you? >> fantastic. >> you're a very fancy person because you're a master. did you bring any wine for us? >> no wine. >> you're only the second black person to hold that title. i mean, really? how is that possible?
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>> how is it possible? that's a very long story by socioeconomic issues in the u.s. and so forth, so we won't go there. but i'll tell you, it was an incredible journey of exploring a lot of cultures through beverage, which is its own culture within a culture and obviously opened a lot of doors for me to travel the world and be introduced to the different ways people live. >> i think it's interesting since you're doing this big show now on cnn. did it help you prepare for doing a show like this? >> yeah. part of that is traveling around the world and connecting with people to their food and beverage. i think i have used that as a door to get into people's cultures and to connect with them and meet the families and stuff. you learn how they live their everyday lives, and that became
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even more important than the food and beverage itself. >> are you ready for this? >> what's this. >> traveling around the world, interviewing people. it's an interesting experience. >> it was very personal experience to me. i think people are the greatest asset in the world, and i have spent a lot of my life -- my grandmother taught me to value people first and to try to understand how they see the world to connect with them. and it's been something that's very personal to me and something i pride myself in and sort of a life's work. it was odd having a camera there when doing it. >> i think the most interesting things happen over food. i grew up in louisiana, right? so your first episode to me resonates because i grew up in louisiana, right. so you visit the par risch suburbs where the identity of french is being redefined. what did you find there? >> just like a lot of places in
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the world, people are moving around the world at a rate that's unprecedented in human history. and that's really stirring up a lot of nationalists and things people are afraid of. the idea of national identity went out the window. but that's what's happening and we have to cope with that. there's an idea of what a french person is. but when you look around paris, paris is dark and doesn't look like paris of the 40s and 50s with the eiffel tower. it's from another colonized nation. that, you know, is truly and awe th pe russian now. we have to accept that as the new identity of that place. >> congratulations. thanks for coming the in. be sure to tune into nomad with
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carlton mccoy. and this week's cnn hero is deanna per se. porn only a year apart, they call themselves twins, but there was only one difference between them. angel has down syndrome, and when she went off to college, she saw how different their lives would be, so deanna founded a college for people just like her sister. >> hi, everybody. >> college of adaptive arts is a collegiate experience for adults with special needs with all different abilities who historically haven't had access to education. they get the same access to every class that any college student can select. >> reaching towards the sun.
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